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	<title>Comments on: Open Rights Group launches in UK, immediately sparks online spat</title>
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		<title>By: Bodnotbod</title>
		<link>http://groupblog.workasone.net/archives/2005/12/open-rights-group-launches-in-uk-immediately-sparks-online-spat/#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodnotbod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They're not trolling. They mean it.

http://skimmed.cream.org/?p=17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not trolling. They mean it.</p>
<p><a href="http://skimmed.cream.org/?p=17" rel="nofollow">http://skimmed.cream.org/?p=17</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Mailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Mailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that, for all their apparent milky-tea support, the Consensual Brigade are not quite with the Geist, which appears to be flowing in extremis:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/mp3tunes_oboe_analysis/
and
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/48581/

Sorry to be all Hegelian about it (or even Marxist, if you will), but institutions are usually brought down by their own insupportable internal inconsistencies: see Prohibition, Apartheid, West Germany and so on. All one can do is to catalyse these effects in a crucible of eschatological hubris. If anything, this is quite a conservative historiographical analysis of progress, and hardly "extreme".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that, for all their apparent milky-tea support, the Consensual Brigade are not quite with the Geist, which appears to be flowing in extremis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/mp3tunes_oboe_analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/01/mp3tunes_oboe_analysis/</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/48581/" rel="nofollow">http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/48581/</a></p>
<p>Sorry to be all Hegelian about it (or even Marxist, if you will), but institutions are usually brought down by their own insupportable internal inconsistencies: see Prohibition, Apartheid, West Germany and so on. All one can do is to catalyse these effects in a crucible of eschatological hubris. If anything, this is quite a conservative historiographical analysis of progress, and hardly &#8220;extreme&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Coxall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Coxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure what to make of being called a "digital rights extremist". If you mean, perhaps, that I'm extremely in favour of digital rights, then you'd be right.

Perhaps you merely take exception to our assertion that the great unhosed, bless 'em, don't actually give a toss about such things. The recent jump in Sony's music sales from the free publicity being a case in point.

In which case, we rather think the evidence supports our argument, and you're just running scared, ensnared by the evils of Tony's broad church.

It is both lazy, and intellectually dishonest of you, to suggest we are wrong using, and then fail to back up your assertion with nothing more than a lazy ad hominem.

If we are wrong, and our logic is flawed, please explain why. Otherwise, why chip into this discussion at all?

As regards the future of ORG, in the absence of any statement from anybody in a position of ?authority? that ORG is going to do anything at all, we must assume that it intends to remain a flaccid talking shop.

Mailer, I and Levine would be happy to be ?digital rights extremist? rent-a-quotes, if that would be of help to ORG.

Rather than the vapid ?media hub? outpourings of Sue (Suw? Sujje? Psujjewe?) and her flappy ilk, we?d be happy to give people something meaty to chew on.

Martin Coxall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to make of being called a &#8220;digital rights extremist&#8221;. If you mean, perhaps, that I&#8217;m extremely in favour of digital rights, then you&#8217;d be right.</p>
<p>Perhaps you merely take exception to our assertion that the great unhosed, bless &#8216;em, don&#8217;t actually give a toss about such things. The recent jump in Sony&#8217;s music sales from the free publicity being a case in point.</p>
<p>In which case, we rather think the evidence supports our argument, and you&#8217;re just running scared, ensnared by the evils of Tony&#8217;s broad church.</p>
<p>It is both lazy, and intellectually dishonest of you, to suggest we are wrong using, and then fail to back up your assertion with nothing more than a lazy ad hominem.</p>
<p>If we are wrong, and our logic is flawed, please explain why. Otherwise, why chip into this discussion at all?</p>
<p>As regards the future of ORG, in the absence of any statement from anybody in a position of ?authority? that ORG is going to do anything at all, we must assume that it intends to remain a flaccid talking shop.</p>
<p>Mailer, I and Levine would be happy to be ?digital rights extremist? rent-a-quotes, if that would be of help to ORG.</p>
<p>Rather than the vapid ?media hub? outpourings of Sue (Suw? Sujje? Psujjewe?) and her flappy ilk, we?d be happy to give people something meaty to chew on.</p>
<p>Martin Coxall</p>
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		<title>By: Media @ LSE Group Weblog  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; A brief comment about digital rights strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media @ LSE Group Weblog  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; A brief comment about digital rights strategy</dc:creator>
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